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“Getting ready for the #latwalmart Planning Commission meeting. Room almost pry. Fox43 in the lot. @PatriotNews reporter and others here, too
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“Planning commission mtg tonight at 7 in @lowerallen about the walmart planned for next to cap city mall…half size of Carlisle pike store
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“Entire #lowerallen Planning Commission here tonight. #latwalmart Also Comm. Young, Mgr. Vernau, Engineer Flint, Codes Enf. Officer Flint
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I was remiss in noting that Economic Development Coordinator Erin Genest also attended the meeting.
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“Now on to #latwalmart plan. First up, rep from Reed Smith on the preliminary plan.
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“Now land developer Timothy Harrison from Long Island speaking #latwalmart First visit since Feb. 15, he says.
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“Harrison says have been able to reduce size of store, increase screening, switch to led lights to reduce light bleed. #latwalmart
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“Harrison says #latwalmart is not asking for any waivers with the preliminary plan. Audience comment: “That’s impressive.”
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Soon to be contradicted, by the way. If I misheard, I’ll correct.
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“Moss, architect, now speaking. #latwalmart
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The rear of the store had been one concern for neighboring homeowners. Those concerns appear to have been addressed.
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“Architect showing facades of the #latwalmart Only three truck bays in rear. Screening around docks & Dumpsters.
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“Had propose four loading docks in sketch plan #latwalmart Now in preliminary plan are stacked, screened, further from homeowners.
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“12′ high screen at back of store at loading area to screen homeowner’s viewscape from that side. #latwalmart Screens pallet storage area
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“Proposing 8′ high board-on-board fence at grade transitioning to same size concrete wall on elevated structure over floodplain. #latwalmart
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“Wall back to 8′ board fence at rear. #latwalmart Evergreen planting proposed on side facing residences at grade to screen noise #latwalmart
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A standard size Wal Mart would not fit on this space. The proposed store is a new concept, much smaller, with no auto center, but would be a 24-hour operation.
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“Now 88,442 sq ft store size. Slightly smaller footprint for the store. Designed to decrease impact to neighboring homeowners #latwalmart
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“Clarifying: elevated parking structure shrunk by 50% from 25k sq ft, now ~11.5k sq ft. #latwalmart
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The plans showed look much better in terms of potential impact on Cedar Run. That’s from my layman’s perspective, of course, but projects far less over the floodplain.
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“Just said is asking for Two Waivers #latwalmart Longitudinal islands, one other. Inferring good trade off re losing elevated structure.
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“Requesting two “minor” waivers re size of landscape islands and to not have landscape islands accept stormwater flow #latwalmart
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And there’s the contradiction, for what it’s worth.
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“Stormwater will be stored underground then discharged to old Forbes basin. #latwalmart In rear of store, will go into basins, then to stream
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“Developer: Water runoff improved through newer features to contain and delay flow of hazards such as oil to Cedar Run #lowerallenwalmart
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“Developers worked with local homeowner’a association in neighboring development to tailor preliminary plan. #latwalmart
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““We’re excited by the plan. We’ve had a good experience working with the community” on this plan, says developer spokesman #latwalmart
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After the meeting I learned that local homeowners designated one of their own, an attorney living in the neighborhood, to represent them to the developer. While they had contact directly with the developer initially, all subsequent contact went through the attorney representing their homeowner’s association.
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“Developer rep drops put “done to be a good neighbor” re site improvements, screening. #latwalmart that’s a lead balloon.
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““Good neighbor” elicits snide chuckles, mutters from a #latwalmart audience member. Pats developer on back, attempts to engage. No response
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As I told a friend after the meeting, the developer has likely been in far more hostile rooms than this one. Still, I was stunned at how brazen the audience member was in attempting to engage directly in the seats.
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“#lowerallen Flint says he has not seen PennDOT comments. Letter re floodplain has been sent to FEMA. #latwalmart
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“Flint: need to discuss areas where no sidewalk proposed because haven’t discussed it yet #latwalmart Otherwise, staff comments not impactful
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And if Lower Allen staff has issues, they’ll never fail to raise them. For Mr. Flint to make this statement is telling for me in terms of the veracity of the Wal Mart plans.
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“Sidewalk on mall side of lot alongside store, off slip ramp, because PPL wants nothing in its ROW along ramp #latwalmart
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“Also, don’t want to encourage pedestrian traffic on slip ramp #latwalmart Nowhere to go.
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This makes sense. Don’t see people walking from Wal Mart over to the mall, at least not often.
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“Phase 1 results requested by planning commission #latwalmart Says nothing of any concern found.
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“Did a limited Phase 2 environmental, and again claims nothing found #latwalmart Would like to see those reports.
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They were not offered by the developer.
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“Says 3-5 semi trucks per day at the #latwalmart Timing cannot be controlled re multi-store deliveries or those trucks, says developer rep
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“Between 10-12 deliveries or day at #latwalmart Based on assumptions because this is such a new model. Unable to predict times of deliveries
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“#latwalmart has a no idling policy at stores, including refrigerated trucks, says developer rep. Also, lights to be turned off when parked
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Truck traffic will be a reality, and it will be unpredictable. No way around it, but they appear to be doing what they can.
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“Site lighting question. Stanchions would be 38′ high #latwalmart Switching to led lights with shields to cut light from surrounding areas
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“Only lights on #latwalmart will be at entry and exit doors to light that area only.
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Comments received some scoffs from the audience, but the shielded LED lights would be a big improvement from standard halogen lights.
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“Public comment is now starting #latwalmart Sandy Christianson is first up. Passing document to board members.
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“Christianson claims preliminary plans not submitted in timely manner to #lowerallen Claims “pretty pictures” mask substantial noncompliance
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And the developer response:
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“Developer now responding #latwalmart Plan submission was in compliance. More than 30 days.
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But the representative did not have any dates to share. Just said it was in compliance.
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“Problems with floodplain re building structures #latwalmart Says no structure may be built in floodplain re #lowerallen ordinances
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“Claiming up to 16′ of fill in the floodplain #latwalmart Christianson illustrating impact on neighbors re floodwaters.
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And the developer response:
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“Floodplain issue. #latwalmart developer says is delineating actual floodplain boundaries. Former map took distance from stream center…
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“…new floodplain map will rely on contours, and not a centerline from the stream #latwalmart If FEMA says floodplain boundary wrong…
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“…will need to change plans to accommodate. #latwalmart Says piers supporting deck will be in floodplain, no fill in floodplain or floodway
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This is a potential deal breaker contingent on the FEMA response. How long that takes is anybody’s guess.
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“Christianson claiming #lowerallen staff comments disregarded by #latwalmart developer. Staff didn’t appear to have same concerns tonight.
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““Do the due-diligence that’s required and that your residents expect.” ~ Sandy Christianson, resident #lowerallenwalmart
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““They cannot fit this building on this lot…” Sandy Christianson regarding alleged parking deficiency. #lowerallenwalmart
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“Walmart is “inconsistent” in its analysis and is ignoring township, Christianson. Applause from residents at end. #lowerallenwalmart
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“Christianson exhorting Planning Commission to vote “no” on plan to give staff more time to review. #latwalmart
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I received a copy of the document after the meeting, and will attempt to share it via the blog as soon as possible this week, Stay tuned.
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“Chesapeake Bay Alliance representative now speaking #latwalmart Saying will be happy to work w/developer, has video on Cedar Run.
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“Donna Morelli of Alliance for the Chesapeake Bay #latwalmart
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“More of informational comments on Cedar Run #latwalmart Has not spoken to Wal Mart reps, but is interested in doing so.
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Informational only, and then came the rest of the public comments:
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“Now Michael Grabouskis of Camp Hill to speak #latwalmart Concerned for the flood issues. Family & friends live in Hershey, Hummelstown area
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“Grabouskis relating stories from Hershey/Hummelstown flooding #latwalmart “Go out there, and take a look at the land. It can happen here.”
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“Paul Garret of 40 N 19th St, Camp Hill speaking #latwalmart “Not going to come off as a tree hugger”
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“Garret speaking for macro, micro issues #latwalmart Environmental concerns, etc.
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“Nancy Wills, 2911 Glenwood Rd in #lowerallen Will retaining wall be in place when Forbes Chevrolet demolished? #latwalmart developer: No
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“Concerned about noise and dust from demolition #latwalmart Asked if developer talked to her. “No.”
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“Jim Lamencusa, Nothampton Lane, New Cumberland. Another #latwalmart public comment now.
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“Asking about noise mitigation along Hartzdale Drive re 24 hour activity #latwalmart Concerned about Orchard Road area
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“Says will go probably go out of business if the #latwalmart doesn’t go through. No foot traffic since slip ramp installed. Israel Torres.
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“Business owner. Owns pizza shop in Capital City Plaza. #latwalmart Wants the Wal Mart built to drive business traffic area stores.
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“Tina Chubb, Glenwood Road #latwalmart Echoing noise concerns. Concerned re truck deliveries, late night activity. Can ordinance restrict?
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“Asked #latwalmart developers if could deliver daylight, not overnight.
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And then we had the worst exchange, in my opinion, from the gentleman representing the developer:
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“#latwalmart developer proposing waiting 200 years to allow site to return to meadow to improve water quality #hyperbole misplaced IMO.
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Wholly unnecessary. The developer made his case well. This was akin to an NFL end zone celebration.
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“Planning commission reminds residents that this is a prelim plan and nothing can be decided before Walmart gets traffic studies in.
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“Seems like a lot still hinges on traffic study and FEMA floodplain determinations… #lowerallenwalmart
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“Planning Commission now discussing #latwalmart Referencing Christianson’s report, issues raised, wants to look into them.
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“#latwalmart developer fast footwork to offer a conditional acceptance in lieu of no action.
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A member of the Planning Commission had started to infer that he wanted to dig into Ms. Christianson’s report before voting. The developer deftly deflected that potential inaction. And so the Planning Commission acted.
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“Motion to approve waivers #latwalmart First passed. Second passed. Third passed. All unanimously.
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“Planning Commission moving to approve prelim plan conditional staff, county comments, Christianson report, traffic study #latwalmart 5-0
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“Preliminary plan for #latwalmart is approved.
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“Lower Allen Township could be home to a new Wal-Mart. What residents have to say tonight at 10:00
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“Walmart received recommendations for waivers in Lower Allen Township tonight. See undefined in morning for more details.
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Most neighbors of the development seemed satisfied with the improvements: most, not all.Prepare for another spirited meeting when the matter is considered by the Lower Allen Board of Commissioners.











